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Joined: Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:43 pm Posts: 1352 |
Jeff has rebalanced engines.
This was a side tangent from Olympus, but as so many new ones got added, and there wasn't a balance sheet / ability to add the aug mods we wanted on them, he went ahead and did all the work on them to bring them into line with every other major gear line. Kinda scary impressive in the time frame he did it as well
More on this once we've tested the new changes thoroughly. Last edited by Aurora Ex Machina on Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:18 am, edited 1 time in total. |
Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:55 am |
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Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:53 pm Posts: 696 Location: South-Western Germany |
I'm waiting since the big re-balance for this: Good work!
I hope now Gigantic (and the still to come Gargantuan) gear is now usable again in a reasonable way. I was expecting the 'reduction' on the Gyroscopic mod, still ofc I hope it won't hit too hard. I wonder if anyhow the EF capital ship line (engine) - especially the turn of the EFDN - has been rebalanced anyhow? |
Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:08 am |
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Rank: Councilor Main: The Voomy One Level: 1337 Joined: Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:06 am Posts: 4137 |
I havent seen the new stats for all engines but as I understood it there was one specific engine that was a bit too good in comparission to the others. Rhino Charge. So you can expect a little nerf to that one.
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Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:25 am |
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Rank: Officer Main: Discharge Level: 2691 Joined: Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:28 am Posts: 1922 |
As long as it is better than a Lion Thruster (360 size is quite huge), and as long as the primal one keeps the 17%, I think that was an ok decision.
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Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:31 am |
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Rank: Officer Main: Discharge Level: 2691 Joined: Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:28 am Posts: 1922 |
Changed my mind a bit, and it scares me that the only engine that can make a well equipped Shield Monkey/Engineer or Dark Freighter going anywhere at all, is getting changed. Maybe you should ask a few well-geared Engineers/Shield Monkeys and other classes mainly using Rhino Charges to actually show you how their ships perform with Rhino Charges before nerfing them?
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Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:50 am |
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Rank: Officer Main: Uth Matar Level: 2465 Joined: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:41 am Posts: 1506 Location: ExZagreb,Croatia~jetzt Potsdam,Germany |
The Lost One wrote: As long as it is better than a Lion Thruster (360 size is quite huge), and as long as the primal one keeps the 17%, I think that was an ok decision. Great question ! Will the Primal Rhino Charge stay the same ? Will the merc engine stay the same iirc he could use a beef? _________________ Curiosity killed the cat . *Est Sularas oth Mithas* Thx k-2 FREDOM FOR WING4+ !!! NOW !!! /viewtopic.php?f=4&t=28872&st=0&sk=t&sd=a The Voomy One :Uth Matar is correct! |
Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:51 am |
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Rank: Councilor Main: Churchill Level: 5620 Joined: Sat Dec 09, 2006 10:36 pm Posts: 11706 |
If all engines are getting a beef, I'm expecting to see a ruin engine becoming as good or better than that Rhino Charge.
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Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:50 am |
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Level: 2249 Joined: Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:33 am Posts: 2127 |
Please do something with the maneuvering thrusters, like add a -weight or some other bonus, or simply beef it a little
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Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:54 am |
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Rank: Officer Main: StarDrifter SunSoar Level: 3093 Joined: Sat May 03, 2008 4:23 pm Posts: 458 Location: Near your cookies |
VatFF wrote: Please do something with the maneuvering thrusters, like add a -weight or some other bonus, or simply beef it a little Yes do something but, imho I think they should be semi decent and have a +weight mod. So like 8k thrust and 8k turning and a +20% weight mod or something, and make it weigh a lot more. The main problem with the battle thatch is that it will never get to fighting fast enough because it cant move itself into position. It needs to be slow but not that slow... *Looks at ai Battle stations and platforms* _________________ http://angelicneo.mybrute.com =Neo= |
Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:46 pm |
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Level: 4 Joined: Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:46 pm Posts: 5424 Location: Listening to Fire On High, best song ever. |
Could someone take a look at the moral influence? It still sucks balls
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Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:30 pm |
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Rank: Operator Main: Hooch Dealer Level: 4419 Joined: Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:20 pm Posts: 1353 Location: Who is John Galt? |
Lion Thruster > MercRamjet > IID WTF?
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Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:06 pm |
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Rank: Soldier Main: The Crazy Game Master Level: 3279 Joined: Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:15 am Posts: 3652 Location: TARDIS, Time Vortex, Main Universe, Reality, Big Bang 2, Multiverse 1 |
/me watches as shms and engineers begin flaming this topic when the nerf to Rcharge is put it....
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Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:38 pm |
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Rank: Councilor Main: Trevor Level: 5369 Joined: Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:01 pm Posts: 4162 Location: Alabama |
On Trevor I have a primal rhino charge, the thing moves on a dime.
Edit...Checked the stats on test, as for my monkey the Primal Rhino Charge is still perfectly fine. rand4505 wrote: Lion Thruster > MercRamjet > IID WTF? Were the costs/difficulty involved factored in to the balance sheet? If this is the case ( I dont have all the engines), please fix the spreadsheets to factor in cost and difficulty... _________________ Stay strong, live long, and walk humbly. |
Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:00 pm |
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Rank: Main: KorGgenT Level: 2525 Joined: Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:16 am Posts: 539 Location: DG 0.839 |
As an Engineer, I logged onto test in my rhino, expecting some changes. what i didn't expect was to move like i did before engines 20 came out and i used an FT IID. my turning is horrible and my thrust is just as bad. 75% of the stats of the normal primal rhino charge... that hit me pretty hard. now i have even less reason to play on that character.
PS why does the FT IID have 6k more thrust than a primal rhino charge? _________________ "Why be difficult, when with a little more effort you can be impossible?" "Just because we are mortal enemies, doesn't mean we can't be friends." - Retyu JeffL wrote: It's all a scam! omg!!!! Last edited by Tregish on Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:02 pm, edited 1 time in total. |
Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:01 pm |
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Rank: Director Main: Jeff_L Level: 1969 Joined: Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:21 am Posts: 3894 Location: Santa Clara, CA |
Before I made the new balance sheet, Rhino Charge was literally 3x better than every other engine. It ended up getting about a 20% nerf and most other engines except the tech 18+'s ended up getting improved by about 2x-3x with a few exceptions. In particular, the Fine Tuned engines all got major beefs to bring them in line with their costs.
Lion Thruster is "better" than the Mercurian Ramjet because it's twice the size and twice the weight. If it's really better or not depends on your set up, but, yes, the costs were taken into account. Not sure why you would complain about IID compared to Merc Ramjet. IID got a 25% improvement in engine stats and had its size reduced by 28% while the Merc Ramjet was only improved by 15% and had it's size increased by a little. IID is much stronger post-balance compared to Merc Ramjet than it was pre-balance. Also, FT IID is now a monster. Maneuvering thrusters were improved a bit, but not a whole lot. Turning is 19% better and thrust is 10x better with size reduced by more than half. We're hoping to patch the server as soon as we finish the last little bit's of Olympus gear and BP's, so please, take a look at the engines and give your specific feedback. I will take all of it seriously. _________________ For support, please create a support ticket here and I will get back to you as soon as possible. About Star Sonata. |
Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:01 pm |
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