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Rank: Director Main: Jeff_L Level: 1969 Joined: Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:21 am Posts: 3894 Location: Santa Clara, CA |
I was debugging the torpedoes in C2 to make them work properly in 3d, and I noticed there's a bug in how torpedoes work that has probably been in since the beginning of this game, but I never really noticed before. I want to just talk about how torpedoes were working, and how I "fixed" them to work so that we can keep an eye on them and whether or not we should put them back and whether or not some of the torpedoes will be rebalanced because of the fix. I would have just left them as they were, except it was a lot easier to get them to work correctly in C2 after fixing them first.
As you guys know, a torpedo has an "arming time" after you shoot it, during which it just sits there and is vulnerable, and after which it starts to actually move. What you might not know is that torpedoes also have a "burn time", which is an amount of time after the torpedo launches that it's supposed to accelerate and aim, and after which, it's supposed to keep a steady speed and not aim. The way torpedoes are working currently, is that they aim while arming, then due to a typo in the code, they don't aim and fly straight during the burn time while they're accelerating, and after the burn time is up, they start aiming again. I can tell that it was supposed to not aim during arming time, aim and accelerate during burn time, then fly straight after the burn is complete. I think changing it to do that might make them a little difficult to use, so what I've done is make them aim during both the arming time and the burn time, then fly straight after the burn. I also increased the burn time based on range augs and skills, so that the burn portion remains as a constant ratio for each torpedo. The main difference I'm seeing is that they can now go a lot faster with range augs, but despite that, they are worse at hitting moving things that are far away, but much, much, much better at hitting things in the close-medium range. I don't really have a strong opinion on if fixing this makes them better or worse. I think they are probably better fixed, since the previous behavior doesn't make a lot of sense, but I'd like to leave this issue open for now and give people a chance to test it and give their opinion. _________________ For support, please create a support ticket here and I will get back to you as soon as possible. About Star Sonata. |
Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:16 am |
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Main: yellow
Level: 1946 Joined: Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:16 pm Posts: 1247 Location: Crayola© |
Sounds like a good change tbh.
Only issue I had with torps it that you can not stop a sniper ZHT from hitting you, Unless you have a nearby planet or such. Can be very annoying. But anyway, It sounds really cool for torps, I never knew they had that kind of coding xD _________________ SerjicalStrike wrote: Peter Pan had a child army and you didn't complain about him. But when a black man does it... |
Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:22 am |
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Main: Jagur4
Level: 1458 Joined: Sun May 15, 2005 6:37 am Posts: 491 |
I never realized this was a glitch myself. If it makes more sense to change it for C2 then it probably should be changed.
However, personally, I depended upon the bugged functionality when fighting some AI like MF Slumberchromes. It may only require a flying adjustment, but it's possible that this could upset the balance of MF Torpedo AI relative to their level, etc. In any case, good job |
Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:34 am |
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Rank: Main: Gunslinger Myrtok Level: 2640 Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:43 am Posts: 1965 |
This sounds cool. Something like it should be done with missiles.
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Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:55 am |
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Rank: Officer Main: Discharge Level: 2691 Joined: Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:28 am Posts: 1922 |
What Jagur4 is pointing out is vital.
You really have to check anything that is currently using torpedoes, and ask around to see if anything needs a change after implementing the new changes. Things that might need a change then, will be for example: BFD Drones All Torpedoe weapons AI using Torpedoes How certain classes now perform against torpedoe launching enemies Apart from that, it sounds interesting. The current torpedoes in game (in this moment I'm sitting and doing an uber with Lion Quick Snaps) are used more as MagCannons with a charging time. |
Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:57 am |
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Rank: Main: Paladin's Presence Level: 3937 Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:53 am Posts: 6770 |
BFDs are gonna suck ass. Currently the redeeming factor on BFDs is their tracking it means that an opponent has to abandon dodging and take an approach based on tanking until they can kill enough of your DPS to finish you off. With this an SD just flies rings around them until they bank out while never hitting and then you sit there dead in the water while the opposing squad slaughters you.
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Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:23 am |
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Rank: Officer Main: Discharge Level: 2691 Joined: Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:28 am Posts: 1922 |
I use BFDs primarily these days to kill Seers and Snipers. I've turned to other drones against Speed Demons to be honest. So they will not be that bad.
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Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:53 am |
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Main: Spatzz
Level: 3104 Joined: Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:40 am Posts: 3122 |
Will this be affecting throaxes?
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Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:55 pm |
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Main: ThisIsKalrizian
Level: 0 Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:15 pm Posts: 1662 Location: Sumner Washington |
so are you taking tracking off of torpedo weapons? (tracking during travel time thats how I interpreted it)
if you do you better uber beef their damage _________________ |
Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:49 pm |
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Rank: Main: kiko Level: 2787 Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2006 4:17 pm Posts: 63 |
I think that this change could really hurt torpedo weapons. This is basically turning them into pre-tracking pulses. They will be pretty useless for anything fast or anything small.
Do correct me if I am wrong, but if the code works like in my picture I think they will become a lot less used. You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post. _________________ Original phil! |
Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:30 pm |
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Main: ThisIsKalrizian
Level: 0 Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:15 pm Posts: 1662 Location: Sumner Washington |
what program did you use to make that diagram
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Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:17 pm |
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Main: k-2
Level: 2715 Joined: Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:48 am Posts: 5387 |
i swear i couldn't have done better with photoshop...
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Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:22 pm |
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Rank: Main: kiko Level: 2787 Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2006 4:17 pm Posts: 63 |
Paint is the future. All hail paint.
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Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:33 pm |
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Rank: Officer Main: swingarm Level: 5362 Joined: Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:16 am Posts: 575 Location: Inside your computer |
kiko wrote: Paint is the future. All hail paint. Ditto _________________ -Justin Bieber "I was sent from the gods!" -Red Hot Chili Peppers "We didn't send anyone" |
Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:42 pm |
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Main: ThisIsKalrizian
Level: 0 Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:15 pm Posts: 1662 Location: Sumner Washington |
Jeff should put it in the first post as not to confuse people
I was confused _________________ |
Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:51 pm |
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