And make it so that Destruction is to all damage sources. It's bad enough that it is single-target and requires firing.

Alternatively, make it to the same damage type the Gunner is using, and make it area-of-effect.

Not completely, still missing missile changes, content, and weapon dps.

Make missiles come in packs of 4 (turns regular missiles into missile packs) launches 4 missiles from the sides of the ship, so as to increase survivability. Then nerf the launch speed on launchers. Also, increase missile speed and agility, so that the DPS of a missile is less conditional.

Then, make HF/capship hybrids of varying weights/sizes, some more HF-ish, some more capship-ish. Also, add more missile types.

Lastly, increase the MF Gunner Class gives to allow MF2 at level 10, MF3 at level 20. It'll incentivize lower level players to switch to Gunner. Then perhaps give Gunner a range and/or Rof and/or DPH boost.

Could you explain what you mean by all damage sources? You mean all damage types? That seems a bit mindless to me.

Yes, types.

I forgot for a second that all sources means things other that being hit by a weapon.

Woops.

Nah, gunner needs to be overhauled.



But no, i cant agree to making their debuff work for all damage types, because that's inane and boring. Makes things too easy. Area effects are also out, because that's too close to doing what a FC does!

I HAVE a gunner. At the moment, missiles suck unless you spam them, their DPS sucks, in fact most everything about them sucks. And you have to pay for the missiles to even do it.

It's far from "a great class".

But if you were to fix destruction and fix missile spamming then it would be a lot better. All i'm saying is that missiles should be changed (not exactly a class specific thing), and that destruction should be balanced in a better way. That's all.


Also, there are ways to push your destruction skill a bit further than you might think. Let's leave it at that...

Sure, you can use them a 1500 range; then again, you can use licins from about 400-500 range, too. Doesn't mean it works very well.

Just a quick calculation;

at 50 range, with 5 broadsword launchers= .16 Recoil, or a ROF of 6.25. 6.25*5000= 31500 DPS, destruction makes it 37500.

Now, a large AP missile with missile mastery 20 goes 150 speed, meaning it takes 10 seconds to go 1500 distance. That means 5 missiles every 10 seconds, or roughly 2500 DPS. Throw in destruction and you've got about 2750.

You most likely already know all this, but that's where the issue comes in! A mediocre zerker or sniper can put out constant amounts of damage at that range in the area of 25-35k DPS. A gunner can put out...maybe 5000 damage from weapons, and 3000 from missiles, if they're very good?

8000 DPS for a good gunner is, frankly, pathetic.

You mean for absorbing damage? That's fine, but it's hardly what missiles are meant for...

*wants shawn's opinion on the following*

-MaxNumber of launchers = maxnum of controllable missiles
-Sepperate launcher cool down
-No more launch speed decrease
(effectively replaced with sepperate cool down)

Would this mess with you too badly or is it fairly neutral to long range? Would at least stop missile spam. No missile spam = no balance issues with adding other missiles.